by Mockingbird Foundation Volunteer Chris Glushko
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If you’re reading this, you probably consider yourself somewhat of a Phish nerd—someone who gains an unhealthy amount of pleasure in discussing best songs, shows, sets, venues, cities, lyrics, compositions, recordings, jams, lights, and more. With that said, we decided to hold the ultimate Phish nerdgasm, a 64-team March Madness style tournament to determine the best Phish jam of all time. Now, this is nothing new to the Phish blogosphere. We’ve all seen Phish March Madness brackets before, and I’m sure we’ll see them again. But we wanted to make ours just a little different. We did so by taking ourselves way too seriously. And I knew that if there was one person to take on this project with, it was fellow Phish.netter, Mockingbird Foundation volunteer, and list-maker extraordinaire, Steve Paolini.
At first, Steve and I tried picking the best 64 jams of all time. That proved to be an exercise in futility. Just try to name the best 64 jams ever. I dare you. You’ll most likely end up with a battle of 1995 vs. 1997 with an eternal amount of Ghosts and Bathtub Gins. So, we figured we needed to set some ground rules.
Rule #1: The tournament will cover 1993 – 2012 and each year must have at least two entries (automatic qualifiers)
This rule gave us some diversity from different eras and made sure years like 1996 and 2009 at least had some representatives in the big dance. It also led to some brutal arguments over what jams received the automatic qualifier from each year. More on this in the podcast.
Rule #2: No more than five versions of a single song
Let’s call this the “Ghost Rule.” We wanted as much diversity and interesting matchups in this tournament as possible. And with only 64 spots available, nearly half of the entries might have been Ghost, Gin, and Tweezer without this rule.
Rule # 3: No more than two versions of a single song from one year
This came into play when looking at 1995 YEMs, 1995 Mike’s Songs, and 1994 Tweezers. Once again, diversity was the goal.
Rule #4: Segues are permitted, using common sense. However, all songs in the segue count toward the yearly and total song limits
This rule is pretty simple. When you talk about the 7/22/97 show, you talk about the DWD->Mike’s, not the DWD or the Mike’s. The same holds true for the 12/29/95 Bathtub Gin->The Real Me->Bathtub Gin. We needed to make it clear that combinations count.
Rule #5: No limit on the number of qualifiers from each year
We felt the rules we created already gave us enough diversity, so why penalize 1995 and 1997 even more.
Rule #6: No more than one entry per show
Let’s call this the Big Cypress rule.
Now that we had our ground rules together, it was time to make the bracket. Over the next three weeks, we put together a list of more than 150 jams from 1993 – 2012. We listened to all of them—every single one. At first, we agreed on most entries. But things soon got ugly. We found ourselves in a struggle to protect our favorite jams and make sure they made it into the tournament. Countless texts and emails ensued. We were two grown men—both with families and careers—who were treating this project like 10 year old boys arguing Manning vs. Brady. It was great. Once we nailed down the 64 entries, we loosely seeded the jams, focusing mainly on the top and bottom seeds of each region. After all, if we spent too much time on the seeding, all the drama of the tournament would be lost.
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So that’s where we stand. Check out the selection show podcast for break downs of who made the cut, who missed the cut, and some of the best matchups in the field of 64. Stay tuned for Part 2 where the competition begins. In the meantime, let us know your thoughts in the comments below. Did your favorite jams make the cut?
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neat idea though.
Hopefully I'll get a chance to listen to the rest of the selection show tonight. This kicks so much ass.
Just quick thought on Ghost. First love the "Ghost" rule!
Prague, although quite the fan favorite doesn't hold a candle for the Copenhagen Christiana 07/06/98 http://lawnmemo.com/the-daily-ghost-31/ . That would have been my pick for 98 Ghost.
The other that should have at least gotten a mention would be Portland Meadows 09/12/99 http://lawnmemo.com/the-daily-ghost-54/ .
I agree you HAVE to have Radio City, Denver, and Seven Below> Ghost for 2009. I think 06/26/04 Boogie> Ghost is a great choice for 2004 leaving only one spot. So really you did a great job, just those two versions above are next in line for me.
Thanks for doing this and so much fun!
LawnMemo
I agree that 5/22/00 and 11/17/97 should've been shoo-ins. Personally, I would've swapped out 11/28/09 for the Gorge Gin, to free up another Ghost spot. And dropped 6/26/04. My final 5:
5/22/00
11/17/97
7/23/97
8/3/03
7/6/98
And if not, this is dumb. :0)
That said, I think the 12/7/99 Halley's is severely underrated and that it belongs on the list. Honestly, I'd rank it ahead of 3 out of the 4 SECOND seeds (all except 11/26/94), never even mind the other qualifiers. It's a stunning piece of improvisation, which I consider the best overall jam from 1999, and if it were up to me, it would go VERY deep in this tournament.
My other points of disagreement:
- the 10/31/94 Reba, which I would sub in for the 10/20/94 Hood in a heartbeat.
- the two mega-Tweezers from Summer 95 - 6/14 and 6/22 - both deserve a slot, in my opinion. I know, I need to cut two Tweezers for that, and that's not easy, especially if we need to give 2/28/03 a slot. I would definitely cut the 11/23/94 Tweezer for one of those two.
- either Wolfman's or Stash from 11/30/97. I think either would fit nicely in place of the 12/30/97 Bag.
This Jim may not have been the best musical jam, but experientially, it stands alone.
Probably the only phish jam that makes time stand still
Seeing the 8/10/97 Cities but not the Hood (which I'll probably end up writing an essay about someday) made me very, very sad.
If I had to put money on the winner, I'd lay a fiver on the 11/17/97 Ghost, the 12/9/95 YEM, or the Riverport Gin. The dark horses: the 5/22/00 Ghost, Tweezabella, and The Real Gin.
3.0 also took a beating, now that I think about it.
East: 12/29/94 Bowie dominates, with only the 11/23/97 Gin even putting up a fight
Midwest: 12/9/95 YEM, winning a nailbiter over Stashteca in the Elite Eight
West: 12th-seeded 12/31/95 Weekapaug -> S&S wins cleanly
South: The top-seeded 11/28/94 Tweezer ekes out a victory over another upstart 12 seed, the 7/2/97 Stash
FINAL FOUR:
12/9/95 YEM dispatches the 11/28/94 Tweezer with ease
BONUS NIT FINAL FOUR: 6/14/95 Tweezer, 10/31/94 Reba, 12/31/95 Mike's, 6/22/95 Tweezer; then the FLeezer over NYE 95 Mike's in the finals
Curious to see/hear how this plays out.
I don't envy the job of picking the top 64 and I'm excited to see this play out. I won't quip about this jam or that not making it as I'm sure a readicculus amount of thought has gone into it.
I dig .net a bit more now...
I also get why the rules imposed in question make sense for the tournament, but really if there are 6 Bathtub Gins in 97/98 that are better than most 2004 jams, while not throw them in the mix?
Here are some jams I would have included, rules aside..
12/30/93 Mike's
12/31/93 Harry Hood
7/6/94 Reba
10/23/94 Harry Hood
8/17/97 Bathtub Gin (shocked this didn't make it)
7/23/97 Ghost
8/1/98 Tweezer
8/11/98 Runaway Jim
8/3/98 Halley's Comet
7/10/99 Chalk Dust
12/7/99 Halley's Comet / Bathtub Gin
12/31/99 Down with Disease / Sand-> Quadrophonic Topplings
6/14/00 Twist> Jam-> Walk Away
6/24/00 Tweezer
6/20/04 Ghost-> Twist
8/31/12 Chalk Dust
the big 3 in terms of peak years, imo
Or 12/31/93 Hood?
The 12/11/97 Disease would be my other addition to the field. Trey absolutely shreds the first half, while the second half is one of those Phish jams that sounds impossible not to have been pre-composed.
As far as burst bubbles, I'm very partial to Ya Mar (12/11/97). Maybe the best opener ever and it wold have made a deep run in my bracket had it been given the chance.
I love the MSG Bag, I just love other jams more. I think it's an excellent specimen of Fall 97 Phish, but I personally find jams like the 11/17 DWD -> Olivia's Pool -> JBG -> JJLC, 11/22 Halley's, 12/3 Bowie -> Possum, 12/12 Piper, and the jams on the bracket more powerful.
GO RAMS!!
KUNG HAVOC LIVES HERE!!!
This is awesome. Someone should make upload all the versions from the tournament. Someone less lazy than myself.
it's all opinion, but there are far and away too many 1.0 jams that should be on that list. wayy too much 2.0 and 3.0.
I started with the 8&9 seeds so far and now working on the 6 & 11 seeds. Just finished listening to the 12/31/99 Melt now I have to listen to the 4/2/98 Twist. This is going to be a tough pick.
Seriously, though, understand that this is really an impossible task and if we were going to put together a new bracket today, we might change some of our picks. It's one thing to compare different versions of songs or different jams from the same year, but when you start trying to decide which is "better" between, say, the Mud Island Tweezer and the 8/10/04 Birds, it really comes down to what you ate for breakfast that morning. They're so different. But, even though it is an impossible task, we really did take it seriously. I can't tell you how many times I've listened to these jams back to back in the name of declaring a "winner." Clearly not everyone is going to agree with all of our choices.
Thanks for the feedback! Part II should be up at typeiicast.com in the next few days.
"I think it's really tragic when people get serious about stuff. It's such an absurdity to take anything really seriously ... I make an honest attempt not to take anything seriously: I worked that attitude out about the time I was eighteen, I mean, what does it all mean when you get right down to it, what's the story here? Being alive is so weird.
I, sadly have neither the skills, the time, or the files- but if I could wave my magic wand!
This is an awesome list- I'm normally a 'whole show' guy- so it's super fun to go and listen to these amazing jams in isolation.
I respect the 6/24/04 Boogie > Ghost (man, Mike dominated both of those nights @ Alpine) - but could go for one of the beauties from 7/25/99; My Friend > MLT > Whipping Post or Birds.
Looking forward to this - thanks for putting the time in!
Do you disagree? What are some of your top picks from this era?
I read a Relix interview with Trey a while back. When asked if he ever listened to Phish, he said no, but when he wanted to show someone what Phish was about, he would play this track. After all the years of going to shows and listening to tapes, I still think it might be one of the most inspired and concise jams of all time. Perfection in my mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAdJ5cMWya4
stay tuned.
There is a DWD that also never gets any love - 7/7/1999 - it's one of the best 10:30 DWD's I've heard and the play between Trey and Fishman is great. To boot, the encore is w/ Derek Trucks. The 2001 -> DWD second set is great, one of my favorite 2001's as well, very funky and about 20 min.
Also, didn't see any Slave to the Traffic Light...? The 7/4/99 (or 7/3...) is very good. Ghost -> Slave is a great jam.
Just my 2 cents
64 Jams
Thanks for all the feedback. Next episode records this week.
thank you.